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		<title>Comment on Why do you hate mutual funds so much? by TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - 
I'll take a stab at this in the few minutes I have before my next appointment...

I have read your posts on IUL's.  First, there is quite an assumption loaded up in the idea that IUL's "hedge wealth against taxes and inflation" as you say.  Let's address taxes first.  Yes, the accumulation inside ANY life insurance policy is sheltered from taxes while the policy is in force.  That's an important consideration, because anyone who wishes to actually USE the cash in an IUL is putting "pressure" on the policy such that it is more likely to lapse (creating an UGLY tax situation).  We may or may not have discussed "overloan protection riders" within these policies, but once you add these in you start to destroy the very same "inflation hedge" that you claim exists. Factor in the possibility that mortality expenses might blow a policy up and, well, I still don't like them much.  As for the "inflation hedge", yes, I think a pure indexing strategy of an IA or an IUL will outpace inflation.  But the IUL has the drag of mortality charges to factor in.

Briefly, yes, I think mutual funds are sold as a wealth creation instrument.  And I think they are also sold as an inflation hedge, although I suspect many mutual fund buyers don't really understand that.  That being said, let's look at your three objections.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David -<br />
I&#8217;ll take a stab at this in the few minutes I have before my next appointment&#8230;</p>
<p>I have read your posts on IUL&#8217;s.  First, there is quite an assumption loaded up in the idea that IUL&#8217;s &#8220;hedge wealth against taxes and inflation&#8221; as you say.  Let&#8217;s address taxes first.  Yes, the accumulation inside ANY life insurance policy is sheltered from taxes while the policy is in force.  That&#8217;s an important consideration, because anyone who wishes to actually USE the cash in an IUL is putting &#8220;pressure&#8221; on the policy such that it is more likely to lapse (creating an UGLY tax situation).  We may or may not have discussed &#8220;overloan protection riders&#8221; within these policies, but once you add these in you start to destroy the very same &#8220;inflation hedge&#8221; that you claim exists. Factor in the possibility that mortality expenses might blow a policy up and, well, I still don&#8217;t like them much.  As for the &#8220;inflation hedge&#8221;, yes, I think a pure indexing strategy of an IA or an IUL will outpace inflation.  But the IUL has the drag of mortality charges to factor in.</p>
<p>Briefly, yes, I think mutual funds are sold as a wealth creation instrument.  And I think they are also sold as an inflation hedge, although I suspect many mutual fund buyers don&#8217;t really understand that.  That being said, let&#8217;s look at your three objections.</p>
<p>(Client is here, I will finish in my next post.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do you hate mutual funds so much? by shaferfinancial</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/why-do-you-hate-mutual-funds-so-much/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>shaferfinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJ look at my posts on IULs closely.  I like them, not because they create wealth, but because once wealth is created, they hedge wealth against taxes and inflation.

If mutual funds were sold as a hedge against inflation then I would accept them for that purpose.  But they are not are they?  Aren't they sold as a wealth creating instrument?  Aren't mutual funds inside a 401k/IRA sold as a tax reduction strategy?  Aren't they sold as a retirement income tool?

Facts are I have told at least 5 people in the last month, to hold off purchasing an EIUL until they have developed a working wealth building strategy.

TJ, do you disagree with my three reasons for disliking mutual funds?  If so, maybe you could move the discussion ahead by telling us why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ look at my posts on IULs closely.  I like them, not because they create wealth, but because once wealth is created, they hedge wealth against taxes and inflation.</p>
<p>If mutual funds were sold as a hedge against inflation then I would accept them for that purpose.  But they are not are they?  Aren&#8217;t they sold as a wealth creating instrument?  Aren&#8217;t mutual funds inside a 401k/IRA sold as a tax reduction strategy?  Aren&#8217;t they sold as a retirement income tool?</p>
<p>Facts are I have told at least 5 people in the last month, to hold off purchasing an EIUL until they have developed a working wealth building strategy.</p>
<p>TJ, do you disagree with my three reasons for disliking mutual funds?  If so, maybe you could move the discussion ahead by telling us why?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do you hate mutual funds so much? by TJ</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/why-do-you-hate-mutual-funds-so-much/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;1.  Diversification sucks.
&#62;2.  Mutual funds are retail products so there is an extra hand (middlemen) between you and your investments.
&#62;3. The army of mutual fund sales people have no idea how to get wealthy because they aren’t.

Yet you like IUL?  How does that get passed your objections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;1.  Diversification sucks.<br />
&gt;2.  Mutual funds are retail products so there is an extra hand (middlemen) between you and your investments.<br />
&gt;3. The army of mutual fund sales people have no idea how to get wealthy because they aren’t.</p>
<p>Yet you like IUL?  How does that get passed your objections?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wealth? by COSTA DEL SOL PROPERTY FOR SALE</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/why-wealth/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>COSTA DEL SOL PROPERTY FOR SALE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice information i really appreciate it..
thanks a lot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice information i really appreciate it..<br />
thanks a lot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wealth? by shaferfinancial</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/why-wealth/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>shaferfinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,
Did you get my response to your contact e-mail? Sent it twice, the first time it failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,<br />
Did you get my response to your contact e-mail? Sent it twice, the first time it failed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wealth? by Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All that insecurity you feel about having debt, I feel about having to depend on the whims of a boss or a company."

If what you said was a map, there would be an arrow for me that pointed to that text and said, "You are here".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All that insecurity you feel about having debt, I feel about having to depend on the whims of a boss or a company.&#8221;</p>
<p>If what you said was a map, there would be an arrow for me that pointed to that text and said, &#8220;You are here&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Real Estate; The Basics by shaferfinancial</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/analyzing-real-estate-the-basics/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>shaferfinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words of wisdom, I'm sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words of wisdom, I&#8217;m sure!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Real Estate; The Basics by Another Investor</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/analyzing-real-estate-the-basics/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash flow and the size of your "Sominex" account go hand in hand.  Leverage, which reduces your cash flow, is best maximized in the early part of the up cycle.  Use leverage to accumulate assets when the market is on the upswing.  Leverage should be stabilized and even decreased as you get to the top of the cycle and head down.  Slow or stop acquisitions and protect what you have before the cycle tops out.  Cash flow should increase as you decrease leverage, and that cash flow plus your "Sominex" account will carry you through those 20 percent vacancy and 30 percent decrease in rent times.  Stronger cash flow equals a smaller botte of Sominex.  If you have cash left over when the market bottoms out, you can be the bottom feeder.

And with all due respect to your hairless friend on the left coast, NEVER invest in a piece of real estate that does not cash flow.  Not cash flows on paper with rosy assumptions, but cash flows with the actual income and anticipated realistic expenses.  Hoping for appreciation to make an investment work when leverage is involved is even more dangerous than hoping the stock market will go up and salvage your 401(k).  Long or short term, speculation can be very enticing, but it is risky and eventually you will get caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash flow and the size of your &#8220;Sominex&#8221; account go hand in hand.  Leverage, which reduces your cash flow, is best maximized in the early part of the up cycle.  Use leverage to accumulate assets when the market is on the upswing.  Leverage should be stabilized and even decreased as you get to the top of the cycle and head down.  Slow or stop acquisitions and protect what you have before the cycle tops out.  Cash flow should increase as you decrease leverage, and that cash flow plus your &#8220;Sominex&#8221; account will carry you through those 20 percent vacancy and 30 percent decrease in rent times.  Stronger cash flow equals a smaller botte of Sominex.  If you have cash left over when the market bottoms out, you can be the bottom feeder.</p>
<p>And with all due respect to your hairless friend on the left coast, NEVER invest in a piece of real estate that does not cash flow.  Not cash flows on paper with rosy assumptions, but cash flows with the actual income and anticipated realistic expenses.  Hoping for appreciation to make an investment work when leverage is involved is even more dangerous than hoping the stock market will go up and salvage your 401(k).  Long or short term, speculation can be very enticing, but it is risky and eventually you will get caught.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Real Estate; The Basics by shaferfinancial</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/analyzing-real-estate-the-basics/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>shaferfinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thank you, it is corrected!  If you get double figures for a cap rate that is a wonderful thing.  Real Estate doesn't go up all the time, that is why you invest for the long term and make sure it cash flows.  That enables you to float through the down times without issues.  Bawld Guy also wrote about what he calls a Sominex account on this blog, which is a reserve account.  Also an important factor.  Thanks for your comments, it sounds like you have been there and done it successfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thank you, it is corrected!  If you get double figures for a cap rate that is a wonderful thing.  Real Estate doesn&#8217;t go up all the time, that is why you invest for the long term and make sure it cash flows.  That enables you to float through the down times without issues.  Bawld Guy also wrote about what he calls a Sominex account on this blog, which is a reserve account.  Also an important factor.  Thanks for your comments, it sounds like you have been there and done it successfully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Real Estate; The Basics by Another Investor</title>
		<link>http://shaferfinancial.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/analyzing-real-estate-the-basics/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mean return ON investment.  If you realize $2000 net income and a net $4000 in appreciation over the first year on your $20,000 equity investment, then your return ON your investment is 30 percent.

Also, cap rates are not always in the single digits.  When real estate is out of favor, rents are declining, and/or alternative investment yields are higher, cap rates will be in double digits.  I distinctly remember looking at small, unanchored strip centers in Silicon Valley in the late 80's or early 90's that sold at 13 percent plus cap rates based on the NOI from occupied space (no value attributed to the vacant space).  

We have been in a very positive real estate market with free-flowing capital and low yields on competing investments for a long time, long enough for most people to forget the last recession and the transfer of weath that resulted from the S&#38;L crisis.  Bad markets can and will happen again.  There is risk in real estate, and the "secret" to wealth building with real estate is understanding and defending against the risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean return ON investment.  If you realize $2000 net income and a net $4000 in appreciation over the first year on your $20,000 equity investment, then your return ON your investment is 30 percent.</p>
<p>Also, cap rates are not always in the single digits.  When real estate is out of favor, rents are declining, and/or alternative investment yields are higher, cap rates will be in double digits.  I distinctly remember looking at small, unanchored strip centers in Silicon Valley in the late 80&#8217;s or early 90&#8217;s that sold at 13 percent plus cap rates based on the NOI from occupied space (no value attributed to the vacant space).  </p>
<p>We have been in a very positive real estate market with free-flowing capital and low yields on competing investments for a long time, long enough for most people to forget the last recession and the transfer of weath that resulted from the S&amp;L crisis.  Bad markets can and will happen again.  There is risk in real estate, and the &#8220;secret&#8221; to wealth building with real estate is understanding and defending against the risks.</p>
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